John Owen ~1853-~1936-8

Slate Quarry Manager

1853. John Owen was born, about February 1853, from the 1921 census, to parents Robert Owen & Mary Jones in Llanllechid . Birth Bangor Jun 185 Llanllechid a village 2 k N of Bethseda, 1k NE of Tregarth which is on the A5. Also LLANLLECHID, a parish in the hundred of Uchaf, county Carnarvon, 4 miles S.E. of Bangor, its post town, and 10 N.E. of Carnarvon. It is situated on the river Ogwen, and includes seven hamlets, the principal being Bethesda and Tal-y-bont. The mountains Carnedd Llewellyn and Carnedd Davydd are nearly 3,500 feet in height. This is considered one of the largest parishes in the principality. There are several extensive slate quarries.

15/9/2015 contacted a Pamela on Genes Reunited who has John Owen 1854 Beaufort, Wales on her tree, along with Mabel Hancox, Thomas Hancox, back to William Sparrow 1751 - but she does not have John Rigg Owen 1904, nor Robert 1893, nor Herbert 1899 . Odd that Beaufort is in S Wales, not Caernarvonshire!! No reply! But seems a load of rubbish anyway!!

1861C. John Owens, 8, is living Glan Bethlehem, Llanllechid , Bangor, Caernarvonshire, with his parents, Robert Owens, ag.lab., mother Mary and 3 siblings

Robert	Owens	Head	Married	Male	37	1824	Agricultural Labourer	Caernarvonshire, Wales
Mary	Owens	Wife	Married	Female	35	1826	-	Llanllechid, Caernarvonshire, Wales
David	Owens	Son	-	Male	12	1849	Slate Quarrier	Llanllechid, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Elizabeth	Owens	Daughter	-	Female	10	1851	Scholar	Llanllechid, Caernarvonshire, Wales
John	Owens	Son	-	Male	8	1853	Scholar	Llanllechid, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Mary	Owens	Daughter	-	Female	5	1856	-	Llanllechid, Caernarvonshire, Wal

1861-1871. His mother, Mary Owen, must die

1871C. John Owen, 17,quarryman, is living at Tal Bont, Llanllechid , Bangor, Caernarvonshire with father Robert Owen, 45, now a stone mason, & 3 siblings. All b. Llanllechid .

Robert	Owen	Head	-	Male	45	1826	-	Caernarvonshire, Wales
David	Owen	Son	-	Male	22	1849	-	Caernarvonshire, Wales
Elizabeth	Owen	Daughter	-	Female	20	1851	-	Caernarvonshire, Wales
John	Owen	Son	-	Male	17	1854	-	Caernarvonshire, Wales
Mary	Owen	Daughter	-	Female	15	1856	-	Caernarvonshire, Wales

1881C. John R Owen, 27, slate quarryman, b. Wales, is living at the Brother Water Hotel Hartsop, Patterdale with Hartsop, West Ward, Westmorland. 95% certain this is he . Why the R for amiddle name?, but he does call his1904 son John Rigg Owen, and we donotknow where the Rigg comes from!

Joseph	Brownrigg	Head	Married	Male	38	1843	Farmer of 140 acres and publican	Penrith, Cumberland, England
Mary	Brownrigg	Wife	Married	Female	39	1842	-	Patterdale, Westmorland, England
John	Brownrigg	Son	Single	Male	10	1871	Scholar	Patterdale, Westmorland, England
George	Brownrigg	Son	Single	Male	5	1876	-	Ambleside, Westmorland, England
Ellen	Brownrigg	Daughter	Single	Female	3	1878	-	Ambleside, Westmorland, England
John R	Owen	Boarder	Single	Male	27	1854	Slate quarryman	Wales
Owen	Thomas	Boarder	Single	Male	22	1859	Slate quarryman	Wales

 

1881C. 8 Bryntirion Llanllechid , Bangor, Caernarvonshire NOT SURE!. Birthplace is correct . It seems to imply that this John & Cathrine were married , but not necessarily. Many Catherines of this age in Caernarvonshire in 1891C!! No marriage of a John Owen/Owens to a Catherine 1872-1881 in Denbighshire or Caernarvonshire .Almost certain this is NOT he! given as bachelor on his 1886 m.c. and many births of John Owen in Llanllechild 1853/4

David	Jones	Head	Married	Male	70	1811	Slate Quarryman	Llanllechid, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Anne	Jones	Wife	Married	Female	49	1832	-	Llandysilio, Anglesey, Wales
John	Owen	Boarder	Married	Male	27	1854	Slate Quarryman	Llanllechid, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Cathrine	Owen	Boarder	Married	Female	24	1857	-	Llangollen, Denbighshire, Wales

1886 . John Owen, 34, bachelor, manager of Slate Quarries, married Mabel Hancox , domestic servant, 27, on 19/10/1886, in the parish church of Bubbenhall, Warwicks. His address Troutbeck, Westmoreland, hers Bubbenhall. Fathers Robert Owen, slate river?, and Thomas Hancox, woodman. Witnesses Thomas & Emily Hancox- maybe her father & younger sister .. No FMP Newspaper recording of this event!

1891C. John Owen, 39, Slate Quarry Man., is living Butt Hill, Troutbeck, Kendal with his wife, Mabel, 31, and 2 daughters, both born Troutbeck

1901C. Yet to find him- have searched in Wales on Ancestry with words quarry, slate, manager & in 1901 Irish census & in 1901Scottish census : could he be in Ireland?, but cannot find him in 1901C there!- , but his wife, Mabel, 41, & 7 children, aged 0 - 13 , are living at 26 Garnon Street, Llanbeblig, Caernarvon. Llanbeblig just a suburb of Caernavon

Mabel	Owen	Head	Married	Female	41	1860	-	Bubbenhall, Warwickshire, England
Mabel E	Owen	Daughter	Single	Female	13	1888	-	Troutbeck, Westmorland, England
Bessie	Owen	Daughter	Single	Female	10	1891	-	Troutbeck, Westmorland, England
Robert O	Owen	Son	Single	Male	8	1893	-	Caernarvonshire, Wales
Emily	Owen	Daughter	Single	Female	6	1895	-	Carnarvon, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Tom	Owen	Son	Single	Male	3	1898	-	Carnarvon, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Herbert K	Owen	Son	Single	Male	2	1899	-	Carnarvon, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Ada	Owen	Daughter	Single	Female	0	1901	-	Carnarvon, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Children of John Owen & Mabel Hancox.

1904. John Rigg Owen was born 14/3/1904 Caernavon to John & Mabel - their last child.

1904-1911. He moved the family to Portroe, Tipperary, where he was the manager for the Killaloe Plate Co Ltd

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As the site used to be a working quarry, there are still items that have remained here since its working days. There is an old mining shaft along with an old iron ladder. The remains of a crane are visible about 27 metres down.

 

1911C. John Owen, 55, Quarry Manager, is living Portroe Town, Castletown, Tipperary with his wife, Mabel 47, and 4 surviving youngest children. Ada 1901 appears to have died. Census states 8 children, 1 dead . Portroe is near Lough Derg, N of Killaloe, ~45 k NE of Limerick

Owen	John Rigg	Portroe Town	Castletown	Tipperary	7	M
Owen	Tom	Portroe Town	Castletown	Tipperary	13	M
Owen	John	Portroe Town	Castletown	Tipperary	55	M
Owen	Mabel	Portroe Town	Castletown	Tipperary	47	F
Owen	Emily	Portroe Town	Castletown	Tipperary	16	F
Owen	Herbert K	Portroe Town	Castletown	Tipperary	12	M

The family stayed in Ireland until ~ 1920 when they returned to Wales due to the troubles . He retired at this stage anyway

1921C. John Owen, 68y 4m. ( this 19/6/1821) , retired Plate Quarry Manager, is living with his wife,Mabel, and daughter Bessie, at Garfield House , Carmarthen Street, Llandillo,Llandilofawr, Carmarthen . Llandillo about 30k N of Swansea . Thus born about February 1853.

John	Owen	Head	Male	1853	68	Carmarthenshire, Wales	Plate Quarry Manager Retired	The Killaloe Plate Co Ltd Pertroe Tipperary Ireland
Mabel	Owen	Wife	Female	1859	62	Bubbenhall, Warwickshire, England	Fancy Draper	Own Account
Bessie	Owen	Daughter	Female	1891	30	Windermere, Westmorland, England	Bank Clerk	Nat Prov & N Bank Of England Ltd

John Owen apparently wrote books on quarrying.

At some point he must have moved a considerable way SE (75k) to the Bridgend area

About when does he die??

"Pat recalls going down to Bridgend to see Daddy's parents when she was about 3, so that would have been 1936 and Daddy's father died that year".

1936. John Owen, 76, dies Bridgend Sep 1936 - here age is ~5 years too young

1938. A John Owen, 86, dies Bridgend Jun 1938 - here age is ~2 years too old, but not if born in 1852, which 1891C suggests. Think this more likely- Pat would still have been well under 5 . No probate for him around either of these 2 dates  

Index

John	Owen	Head	Married	Male	39	1852	Slate Quarry Manager	Caernarvonshire, Wales
Mabel	Owen	Wife	Married	Female	31	1860	-	Bubbenhall, Warwickshire, England
Mabel E	Owen	Daughter	-	Female	3	1888	-	Troutbeck, Westmorland, England
Bessie	Owen	Daughter	-	Female	0	1891	-	Troutbeck, Westmorland, England